In this episode, Jenny Andrews, a public defender in Santa Barbara, CA, and Jeff Sherr, the Training Director for the National Association for Public Defense talk about why the language of moral injury matters for public defenders. Systemic obstacles preventing "gold standard" representation is a familiar frustration. Burdened by excessive caseloads, endless hours of work, and with their client's freedom on the line, many public defenders are struggling to stay in the profession. Why? Just like healthcare workers, public defenders are experiencing moral injury.